Ricky - You and I get along well, when it comes to 9/11, and that is where we need to learn our lessons, when keeping an eye out on what is happening in the "health truther movement" right now...
If anyone has read Andrew Johnson's two books (linked in all my articles) they would have seen exactly what type of politics there were 23 years ago, and now with CV-19, the virus, no-virus debate, it's playing out in exactly the same way, post covid in lock step.
In my humble opinion, the initial article by Poisoned Kiwi, was exactly that - Poison and not called for.
He should have sorted that out with the person who stole his intellectual property.
BUT we don't know the full back story.
Then all the Baileys did was to do a reaction video.
Now, a number of the people listed by them, I do interact with and also follow my substack.
They in turn do great work, except one, which I will not mention...
I was really surprised, as you seem to be, that your name was mentioned.
I do not follow Sam's substack comments or the video comments, so I cannot relate to what might have transpired in the various comment sections.
What I do know is, when you have a bunch of people commenting, just to be combative or argumentative, after a while it gets boring and tedious and not worth interacting with people, as you would have experienced sharing your 9/11 evidence based stance.
Hell man, people still think that jet fuel caused the destruction we saw on 9/11 - Jet fuel just does not cause a building to disintegrate on a molecular level, but alas, some people will never be able to pull their heads out of their asses, same with vaccines, viruses, the climate hoax and what have you, that is used divides us.
I truly hope everyone will just take a step back and breathe and focus on putting the important work in and getting the information out to the "normies".
These politics and back stabbing does the "movement" no good.
To help people see some of the same, just 23 years ago with the formation of the 9/11 "truth" movement, read the following article;
9/11 Truth Suppression Timeline
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." - Vladimir Lenin
If the Baileys are censoring discourse about what typically causes a symptomatic COVID diagnosis, they are not much different than the 9/11 nonprofits. Sam has the opportunity to apologize and course correct. Let's see what actually matters to her.
Also, I got blocked for standing my ground on this one. There is always work to do!
He blocked me as well for pushing back. He said he didn't care to look at the forensic evidence Judy Wood collected because it was "disinformation." I asked him if he thought the photographs were faked and then he got mad lol.
I've had 2 X posts go viral in the last 24h with close to 1 mil impressions and the "new generation" is seeing through the limited hangout of the "9/11 truther movement" pushing bombs, thermite and nukes....
The claims do not match the tests results on DEWs, they are a new bogeyman in many ways , tho biologically can really cause harm... their ability to turn brick to ash has no valid proof tho as far as I am aware .
The video of the towers collapse is such poor quality it is easy to manipulate, while ALL witnesses are sadly not to be trusted, it is most likely people were restricted from entering a certain zone, while these within it were predominantly 'paid for'... just like most other 'false flags', propaganda tricks.
Also, as I am someone who has mentioned Tom Bearded for decades, long before any substack commentator I've read, I must say he is utterly untrustworthy & three things about him should ring alarm bells to any sane reader. He is correct about much , but off the rails about other components of the 'scalar' wars.
I know Nushi (BlueSkyMaiden), & she is certainly not sad.
You really are 'a compulsive shallow & argumentative little bitch 911'
& just proved it ! 🙄😂🤣😂
Uncannily I found that there is a company called Blue Sky Group & its founder is called Sam Bailey. I can confirm that their Sam is male, & neither he nor Dr Sam have anything to do with Nushi, that I am aware of, as her name is derived from the famous Asian Film ? The synergy of it all is quite incredible tho!
writes some nark with a masonic handshake in its avatar, squeezing a cartoon scribble with a big nose, labelled 'people...how lame is that!
You spooks are so feeble on substack I wonder why you even bother.... oh, it's because your real agenda is to waste time being pathetic, judgemental, while you distract & gaslight the public into despondency.
911 Revisionist is dire. A shallow but noisy turd that keeps blocking social discourse into a sewer of fantasy. DEW's is phonetically 'jews' yet it is too dim to realise that , or who REYNOLDS is, or JEW-di Druid puppet 'Wood from the trees'.
Do all these social bigots look like AndJew Johnson ?
Of course it is unfair to mention 'jews' now-a-days & the term Hyksos is far more encompassing , as Blue Sky Maiden makes very clear- it is all mutilator & death cult fodder that is typing for the Hidden Claw these days.
Now let's see all the controlled Janus faced dumbos get triggered... it's what this farce is all about isn't it ?
If you bother to read 911's utter crud assertions on his 'stack' please tell me seriously if Blue Sky Maiden is petty or actually quite profound ? Also, does she appear 'sad, sad, sad' to anyone living in the real world ... I don't find anything she utters sad, especially when dealing with a terminal sad sack like 911 , still bunged up over 911 & a 'believer' of Jew-di Wood, Reynolds, & Johnson , all overt shills & laughing stocks of 'fantasy ideas' that distract from genuine horrors.
I doubt honesty will be involved in your appraisals, but look forward to your denials & delusions.... & If I'm wrong apologies will be forthcoming.
Ricky, I am just commenting to confirm that I am liking your article because I like the content within the article, not just because I have seen the article or am empathizing with the hundreds of other people commenting who have been blocked or called pooey names by The Baileys for no reason.
That kiwi story was wild, I never thought about it other than that. But when she started attacking Legit no virus folks who are doing excellent work to continue exposing the fraud of virology, genomics and more, I was shocked to see such a low blow. I honestly lost a huge amount of respect for her. I’ve also spent my entire lifetime in the film, TV, Bway industry on a very public scale, so I’m highly attuned to this type of behavior from performers. It’s a shame. If someone attacked me like that, I’d definitely be responding a rebuttal for myself.
I wish the Baileys well,
and btw, how did Eleni’s work within the PG get sabotaged ?
Yes. People who know actors tend to know when someone is putting on a show.
Eleni's work was not sabotaged within The Perth Group as far as I know. That institution seems legitimate. Apparently there were claims about Sam not mentioning or not giving proper credit to Eleni et al., so I suppose Sam found every time that she and her husband mention The Perth Group in their writings? Eleni is one-of-a-kind.
Also PLEASE NOTE: If you came here to this comment from a link from another substack or you read THIS post above, I may NOT AGREE with everything that has been said in those other posts!
First and foremost, it is important to point out that The Perth Group was sabotaged by BOTH the establishment **AND** by so-called "friendly fire" from WITHIN our old "AIDS" dissident movement!
It IS TRUE that many of the "upper-level" "novirus" people HAVE INDEED mentioned both Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos and the Perth Group which she led. It is also true that some of the big "novirus" people have corresponded at least somewhat with Dr. Val Turner who was Eleni's main colleague in "The Perth Group". HOWEVER, what MOST of these top "novirus" people FAIL to point out is the LATTER source of suppression and censorship that the Perth Group suffered at the hands of fellow dissidents like Peter Duesberg and his supporters David Rasnick and David Crowe. (See: https://tig.org.za/RA.htm )
Unfortunately, the other high-level "novirus" people have NEVER mentioned these facts nor relayed these historical events to THEIR "audiences". In fact, some of the current "NOVIRUS" people have often mentioned Duesberg, Rasnick and Mullis with absolutely NO critical commentary!! This has occurred not only during podcasts but also in present-day online articles and books written by today's "novirus" people in which they mention these despicable men with NO CRITICISMS of them or their actions that they took during our old "AIDS" dissident movement...!!
It is also true that, from everything that I have been able to see and read, NONE of these current "novirus" leaders have EVER mentioned Eleni's CENTRAL theory, the "redox theory" of cellular function and structure in ANY of their "mentions" of Eleni and her work....??? ( https://www.theperthgroup.com/epe.html and https://www.theperthgroup.com/EPE/RedoxTheory.pdf ) Why is there such an apparent aversion to discussing the central theory that Eleni worked so hard to demonstrate for forty years...??
As the saying goes "those who fail to LEARN from history are DOOMED to REPEAT it." So why then are most of the highest-ranking "novirus" people of the present day hiding this history of our old "AIDS" dissident movement and such an important CAUTIONARY tale from their audiences.....??
I find this very interesting that while other no-virus people trash the Baileys for supposedly producing material that is “too detailed” and supposedly not mentioning the Perth Group “enough” (even though the Perth Group did very detailed work, and were focused only on “HIV”, while the Baileys are exposing so much more) and now you trash them for not highlighting a cellular theory… and for spending their time exposing one imaginary “virus” after another and the notions of germs and contagion generally and “failing” to dwell on drama back in the day. Seems to me there is simply an agenda to turn people against the Baileys. Or just a lot of bitter frustrated people looking for a target to focus their energy on.
Nope. No one here is trashing their work focused on exposing imaginary viruses just like I have always supported your FOIA request pursuits. If you're not going to address why several people who have never made public critiques of the Baileys (many of whom have never even interacted with them) were slandered on a highly visited Substack/website/Odysee channel, then you're here to defend malicious behavior. Why?
My comment was directed to Rod Knoll who most certainly is trashing the Baileys "for not highlighting a cellular theory" - which is what I wrote. I'm not going to entertain claims to the contrary. And I hadn't even noticed or read your article, as Rod's comment didn't come to my attention via your article. I didn't even know that you write articles. I was looking at someone's likes and came to his comment that way.
You were described as one of the "flies that are attracted to lies".
Not sure why you think I need to explain Sam's actions, but I'm not going to entertain that notion either. Nor the notion that you can read my mind and know that I'm "here to defend malicious behaviour". Nor the notion that Sam was wrong to publicly respond to Craig Hutchinson's public, implausible, contradictory, evidence-free smear article, and the "liking" that it received from so many no-virus people who gobbled it up, no questions asked. So much for critical thinking.
And lol on writing that Sam should keep Eleni's name out of her mouth, (while Rod and others strangely insist that she doesn't talk about Eleni enough). And having a problem with Sam's cheery nature.
Weird how you frame Sam defending herself against public accusations that she doesn't talk about Eleni enough as inappropriate/egotistical.
And lol on this: "A few of the people she likened to shit eat people like her for breakfast"... when in fact she didn't liken anyone to shit. She likened Craig's evidence-free, contradictory public smear to shit, and the people who liked it to flies.
No, she literally put 9 Substack accounts on a pile of shit and not one of them was Poisoned Kiwi. You’re twisting reality much like a virologist would. We wouldn’t want that, now would we?
p.s. I also find it amusing that you berate Sam for publicly responding to Craig Hutchinson's public, implausible, contradictory, evidence-free smear article that features them in the title, them in the featured image and mentions them dozens of times throughout...meanwhile you've chosen to publish an entire article full of complaints about her even though you were barely featured in her video.
Just curious, Pamela and please forgive me if I am confused by your comment: are you claiming that Eleni's work got "sabotaged" from within her own "Perth Group"...???...If yes, where did you hear THAT...???
They were sabotaged by the multibillion dollar AIDS industry spearheaded by "mainstream science" with the help of mainstream media and fake dissidents. Sound familiar?
Well put! Indeed, I am grossly disappointed with the whole "team no virus." Not that I think there are viruses - I give that idea a probability approaching zero - but that the "heroes" of that "team" are behaving quite scummily. Like You, I have no idea what the reason I was dragged into Sam's mud.
But the behavior She exhibited was graceless.
Thank You for including My article here! I am well paid in Your appreciation and attention!!!
I know why i got dragged into the muck. I dared to question Sam publicly about PK's allegations. I simply asked her to address the claims, while also mentioning that i was a fan of their work - was.
I'm thinking that Sam included Me there because I kept posting solutions on Her Odysee videos, and posed a question about what I said that She had blocked in one of them in an open letter to Her.
She saw Me offering support to Kiwi and added Me in on the attack. Whatever the reason, it is clear now that "team no virus" is quite the bit of scum, perhaps trying to give the idea that there's no such things as viruses (or contagion) a bad taste so People will not see the truth...
It does seem like they've used a sledgehammer to crack a nut yet due to the way they have gone about they missed the nut and slammed the sledgehammer on their own foot
Okay it’s clear that some of you are trying to destroy the internationally growing "no virus" movement, which puts a spotlight on the “virus/virology” deception and brings the truth to light.
The "good" old divide & conquer tricks still work, right!?
Which one of you is the innocent-looking mastermind who planned and/or started the attacks on the Dr.s Bailey and thus this whole mess..?
That mask was always very transparent to me! The recent display of blatant bitchcraft merely aids others to see past the veneer.
I am one of the 'flies around shit' named alongside you. Apparently, the only reason we were accused of narcissism was because we 'liked' The Poisoned Kiwi's post! Then Eric F Coppolino waded in (never one to miss an opportunity to dish dirt) but he completely misrepresented the situation and then refused to change his stance, despite being clearly shown the error of his assessment.
There will be more of this to come. I would lay money on it.
About a week or two ago, i publicly responded to a post by Sam sharing her interview on the David Knight Show. I mentioned that i was a big fan of their work - i was. But in my response i asked her to address PK's assertions.
About a week later, she posted that video and comments were locked (on Odysee). So, i came here to Substack to post a response and found out i was blocked.
TBT i don't know who's who or whom to trust among the parties in question. No one apparently, which is always a safe bet, if a bit maddening.
I immediately wondered why Bailey created this drama--because it was clearly manufactured out of almost nothing. Could it have had something to do with the fact that the Baileys were just exposed for concealing the global democide that killed an estimated 31 million people worldwide in 2020-2022? Nah--couldn't be--what's a little mass-murder... https://www.virginiastoner.com/writing/2024/6/5/the-final-pandemic-or-how-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-democide
I went to their substack a few times and posted this..... "Well then, if it's all a fraud, and I agree then let's stop all vaccines because what are we vaccinating against....this should be the push of the no-virus experts..." ....no response, as you can guess......... I think you are right when you say they are protecting a brand..... which then makes them meddlers.....
The Great Virus/No Virus Debate 2022 -- (24 July 2024) -- Gigaohm Biological High Resistance Low Noise Information Brief
> Even when some of the topics take dark turns, Sam is unusually cheery.
Beware of those that smile too much for too long, it is either the sign of someone selling you something, or that person is an idiot, or both.
And lol and behold they scorn and censor any who challenge their intellectual narratives with facts and have nothing to say for it but to call those who do ad hominem of the such. They will only double down on their idiocy next and then, "the plan". Wait for their clever plan to combat the "conspiracy theorist".
The extreme arm of the anti-virus movement is remarkably similar to the extremities I encountered in pro-vaccine. It was disheartening to find all of the people Dr Bailey seems to rely on to be just as irrational as they were.
I am on neither side. Until they can wipe a random surface and put it under an electron microscope and show me a virus that has been flying around then I cannot believe the whole virus thing. What I can believe is the energy field ie bio field of any living thing and that each interacts. Also that our world is full of man made frequencies on all levels which effect us and our health. Also that living things can be contaminated via poisons. Who cares about the players it's more distractions and drama. Does this help us understand the truth? Does this help us fix our own bodies? It is simply more distractions.
The only "sides" are a disagreement between the Baileys and Poisoned Kiwi that somehow got weaponized against many people who go farther than the "no virus" discussion (AS ONE MUST). I pick the truth.
Notice that one person has taken over a good portion of your comment section's real estate making you think you are in a discussion with them but the logic goes in circles and tangents watering down the general dialog. Once you realize there is a mission to this madness and that it is not a discussion it makes sense.
Ricky - You and I get along well, when it comes to 9/11, and that is where we need to learn our lessons, when keeping an eye out on what is happening in the "health truther movement" right now...
If anyone has read Andrew Johnson's two books (linked in all my articles) they would have seen exactly what type of politics there were 23 years ago, and now with CV-19, the virus, no-virus debate, it's playing out in exactly the same way, post covid in lock step.
In my humble opinion, the initial article by Poisoned Kiwi, was exactly that - Poison and not called for.
He should have sorted that out with the person who stole his intellectual property.
BUT we don't know the full back story.
Then all the Baileys did was to do a reaction video.
Now, a number of the people listed by them, I do interact with and also follow my substack.
They in turn do great work, except one, which I will not mention...
I was really surprised, as you seem to be, that your name was mentioned.
I do not follow Sam's substack comments or the video comments, so I cannot relate to what might have transpired in the various comment sections.
What I do know is, when you have a bunch of people commenting, just to be combative or argumentative, after a while it gets boring and tedious and not worth interacting with people, as you would have experienced sharing your 9/11 evidence based stance.
Hell man, people still think that jet fuel caused the destruction we saw on 9/11 - Jet fuel just does not cause a building to disintegrate on a molecular level, but alas, some people will never be able to pull their heads out of their asses, same with vaccines, viruses, the climate hoax and what have you, that is used divides us.
I truly hope everyone will just take a step back and breathe and focus on putting the important work in and getting the information out to the "normies".
These politics and back stabbing does the "movement" no good.
To help people see some of the same, just 23 years ago with the formation of the 9/11 "truth" movement, read the following article;
9/11 Truth Suppression Timeline
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." - Vladimir Lenin
Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline
Watch: 9/11 Alchemy - Facing Reality
Rumble Link: https://rumble.com/v42pr22-911-alchemy-facing-reality.html
YouTube Link: https://youtu.be/CrzNeZUp0tU
Maybe it will help people see the same trends we are witnessing now...
If the Baileys are censoring discourse about what typically causes a symptomatic COVID diagnosis, they are not much different than the 9/11 nonprofits. Sam has the opportunity to apologize and course correct. Let's see what actually matters to her.
Also, I got blocked for standing my ground on this one. There is always work to do!
https://charleswright1.substack.com/p/old-video-of-911-wtc-collapse-shows
The guy has me blocked... Send him this.....
Thermite Revisited & Demolished in 2024
Aerospace Engineer discusses the truth about thermite and September 11, 2001
Presentation: https://911revision.substack.com/p/thermite-revisited-and-demolished
9/11 Truth Suppression Timeline
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." - Vladimir Lenin
Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline
You can download the Refutation of Richard Gage’s Game in 2008 AND 2023: https://truthsummit.info/media-files/DrJudyWood-refutation-RichardGage-claims.pdf
The controlled demolition of the thermite & nuke theory?
Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/the-controlled-demolition-of-thermite
Expanded: The controlled demolition of the 9/11 thermite theory
People are so easily led by perceived "experts".
Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/expanded-the-controlled-demolition
Your guide to debunking thermite on 9/11
Molten Steel and Thermite has never been taken to court
Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/your-guide-to-debunking-thermite
He blocked me as well for pushing back. He said he didn't care to look at the forensic evidence Judy Wood collected because it was "disinformation." I asked him if he thought the photographs were faked and then he got mad lol.
I've had 2 X posts go viral in the last 24h with close to 1 mil impressions and the "new generation" is seeing through the limited hangout of the "9/11 truther movement" pushing bombs, thermite and nukes....
Soon Gage will be laughed out of meetings.....
Have a listen to this podcaster's reaction, after he had Gage on, and then I shared evidence with him: https://rumble.com/v5bzeez-blowing-a-podcasters-mind-on-911-truth.html
You've been working hard!
My fellow 9/11, "normie and long time 9/11 truther movement follower," waker upper - The time is now - The new generation sees through Gage's b/s...
It's time to push and stop wasting our time, trying to change the minds of the indoctrinated old timers...
The thermite theory leaves too many anomalies left unexplained. If the forensic evidence is fake, I'd love to see someone have a go at it.
I concur, she is a nuke fear pusher as well.
The claims do not match the tests results on DEWs, they are a new bogeyman in many ways , tho biologically can really cause harm... their ability to turn brick to ash has no valid proof tho as far as I am aware .
The video of the towers collapse is such poor quality it is easy to manipulate, while ALL witnesses are sadly not to be trusted, it is most likely people were restricted from entering a certain zone, while these within it were predominantly 'paid for'... just like most other 'false flags', propaganda tricks.
Also, as I am someone who has mentioned Tom Bearded for decades, long before any substack commentator I've read, I must say he is utterly untrustworthy & three things about him should ring alarm bells to any sane reader. He is correct about much , but off the rails about other components of the 'scalar' wars.
Give this a read...
9/11 Truth Suppression Timeline
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." - Vladimir Lenin
Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline
You are a sad person.... I pity you....
I know Nushi (BlueSkyMaiden), & she is certainly not sad.
You really are 'a compulsive shallow & argumentative little bitch 911'
& just proved it ! 🙄😂🤣😂
Uncannily I found that there is a company called Blue Sky Group & its founder is called Sam Bailey. I can confirm that their Sam is male, & neither he nor Dr Sam have anything to do with Nushi, that I am aware of, as her name is derived from the famous Asian Film ? The synergy of it all is quite incredible tho!
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-bailey-a2467059/?originalSubdomain=uk
Both of you write incomprehensibly. Wonder why.....?
That doesn't even make sense. Buh-bye.
You seem to be made of the same cloth - Only worth of being pitied...
Sad, sad, sad bunch of misfits...
Repetition & more feeble goading Andrew.
tROT ON!! as you do.
Insults - The last resort of an insecure person with a crumbling position trying to appear confident.
You're a sad, sad, sad person... Most probably with daddy issues?
This account is a chaos agent. Easly to tell.
'This account is a chaos agent. Easly to tell.'
writes some nark with a masonic handshake in its avatar, squeezing a cartoon scribble with a big nose, labelled 'people...how lame is that!
You spooks are so feeble on substack I wonder why you even bother.... oh, it's because your real agenda is to waste time being pathetic, judgemental, while you distract & gaslight the public into despondency.
911 Revisionist is dire. A shallow but noisy turd that keeps blocking social discourse into a sewer of fantasy. DEW's is phonetically 'jews' yet it is too dim to realise that , or who REYNOLDS is, or JEW-di Druid puppet 'Wood from the trees'.
Do all these social bigots look like AndJew Johnson ?
Of course it is unfair to mention 'jews' now-a-days & the term Hyksos is far more encompassing , as Blue Sky Maiden makes very clear- it is all mutilator & death cult fodder that is typing for the Hidden Claw these days.
How many accounts do you have?
Insults - The last resort of an insecure person with a crumbling position trying to appear confident.
A sad, sad, sad person...
Sad, sad, sad person you are...
wow. that's some disgusting petty shit right there.
'that's some disgusting petty shit right there.'
Only to a humourless hypocrite Commander Pig.
Now let's see all the controlled Janus faced dumbos get triggered... it's what this farce is all about isn't it ?
If you bother to read 911's utter crud assertions on his 'stack' please tell me seriously if Blue Sky Maiden is petty or actually quite profound ? Also, does she appear 'sad, sad, sad' to anyone living in the real world ... I don't find anything she utters sad, especially when dealing with a terminal sad sack like 911 , still bunged up over 911 & a 'believer' of Jew-di Wood, Reynolds, & Johnson , all overt shills & laughing stocks of 'fantasy ideas' that distract from genuine horrors.
I doubt honesty will be involved in your appraisals, but look forward to your denials & delusions.... & If I'm wrong apologies will be forthcoming.
Ricky, I am just commenting to confirm that I am liking your article because I like the content within the article, not just because I have seen the article or am empathizing with the hundreds of other people commenting who have been blocked or called pooey names by The Baileys for no reason.
Thanks for being a straight shooter lol.
That kiwi story was wild, I never thought about it other than that. But when she started attacking Legit no virus folks who are doing excellent work to continue exposing the fraud of virology, genomics and more, I was shocked to see such a low blow. I honestly lost a huge amount of respect for her. I’ve also spent my entire lifetime in the film, TV, Bway industry on a very public scale, so I’m highly attuned to this type of behavior from performers. It’s a shame. If someone attacked me like that, I’d definitely be responding a rebuttal for myself.
I wish the Baileys well,
and btw, how did Eleni’s work within the PG get sabotaged ?
Yes. People who know actors tend to know when someone is putting on a show.
Eleni's work was not sabotaged within The Perth Group as far as I know. That institution seems legitimate. Apparently there were claims about Sam not mentioning or not giving proper credit to Eleni et al., so I suppose Sam found every time that she and her husband mention The Perth Group in their writings? Eleni is one-of-a-kind.
*UPDATE* 29 AUGUST: SEE UPDATED TEXT BELOW
Also PLEASE NOTE: If you came here to this comment from a link from another substack or you read THIS post above, I may NOT AGREE with everything that has been said in those other posts!
I am only here to clarify issues surrounding the Perth Group. ( https://www.theperthgroup.com/ )
First and foremost, it is important to point out that The Perth Group was sabotaged by BOTH the establishment **AND** by so-called "friendly fire" from WITHIN our old "AIDS" dissident movement!
It IS TRUE that many of the "upper-level" "novirus" people HAVE INDEED mentioned both Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos and the Perth Group which she led. It is also true that some of the big "novirus" people have corresponded at least somewhat with Dr. Val Turner who was Eleni's main colleague in "The Perth Group". HOWEVER, what MOST of these top "novirus" people FAIL to point out is the LATTER source of suppression and censorship that the Perth Group suffered at the hands of fellow dissidents like Peter Duesberg and his supporters David Rasnick and David Crowe. (See: https://tig.org.za/RA.htm )
There has been one exception that I've seen so far. I do not in any way mean to promote or even defend Tom Cown. However, back in December, 2021, Dr. Tom Cowan DID accurately point out in one podcast that "Duesberg DERAILED the ('AIDS') dissidents". Cowan also made at least one video in which he was accurately -and JUSTIFIABLY- critical of Kary Mullis. (See: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fbpYott1Mdw_BuuiE6_rjO_7Xr5Z_PdoxtK3fNZI9Gc andhttps://longtimedissident.substack.com/p/the-mullis-mirage and https://longtimedissident.substack.com/p/was-mullis-more-machiavellian-than )
Unfortunately, the other high-level "novirus" people have NEVER mentioned these facts nor relayed these historical events to THEIR "audiences". In fact, some of the current "NOVIRUS" people have often mentioned Duesberg, Rasnick and Mullis with absolutely NO critical commentary!! This has occurred not only during podcasts but also in present-day online articles and books written by today's "novirus" people in which they mention these despicable men with NO CRITICISMS of them or their actions that they took during our old "AIDS" dissident movement...!!
It is also true that, from everything that I have been able to see and read, NONE of these current "novirus" leaders have EVER mentioned Eleni's CENTRAL theory, the "redox theory" of cellular function and structure in ANY of their "mentions" of Eleni and her work....??? ( https://www.theperthgroup.com/epe.html and https://www.theperthgroup.com/EPE/RedoxTheory.pdf ) Why is there such an apparent aversion to discussing the central theory that Eleni worked so hard to demonstrate for forty years...??
As the saying goes "those who fail to LEARN from history are DOOMED to REPEAT it." So why then are most of the highest-ranking "novirus" people of the present day hiding this history of our old "AIDS" dissident movement and such an important CAUTIONARY tale from their audiences.....??
Thank you for these links Rod. It’s putting all the pieces together for me.
This was my feeling Rod.
I find this very interesting that while other no-virus people trash the Baileys for supposedly producing material that is “too detailed” and supposedly not mentioning the Perth Group “enough” (even though the Perth Group did very detailed work, and were focused only on “HIV”, while the Baileys are exposing so much more) and now you trash them for not highlighting a cellular theory… and for spending their time exposing one imaginary “virus” after another and the notions of germs and contagion generally and “failing” to dwell on drama back in the day. Seems to me there is simply an agenda to turn people against the Baileys. Or just a lot of bitter frustrated people looking for a target to focus their energy on.
Nope. No one here is trashing their work focused on exposing imaginary viruses just like I have always supported your FOIA request pursuits. If you're not going to address why several people who have never made public critiques of the Baileys (many of whom have never even interacted with them) were slandered on a highly visited Substack/website/Odysee channel, then you're here to defend malicious behavior. Why?
My comment was directed to Rod Knoll who most certainly is trashing the Baileys "for not highlighting a cellular theory" - which is what I wrote. I'm not going to entertain claims to the contrary. And I hadn't even noticed or read your article, as Rod's comment didn't come to my attention via your article. I didn't even know that you write articles. I was looking at someone's likes and came to his comment that way.
You were described as one of the "flies that are attracted to lies".
Not sure why you think I need to explain Sam's actions, but I'm not going to entertain that notion either. Nor the notion that you can read my mind and know that I'm "here to defend malicious behaviour". Nor the notion that Sam was wrong to publicly respond to Craig Hutchinson's public, implausible, contradictory, evidence-free smear article, and the "liking" that it received from so many no-virus people who gobbled it up, no questions asked. So much for critical thinking.
And lol on writing that Sam should keep Eleni's name out of her mouth, (while Rod and others strangely insist that she doesn't talk about Eleni enough). And having a problem with Sam's cheery nature.
Weird how you frame Sam defending herself against public accusations that she doesn't talk about Eleni enough as inappropriate/egotistical.
And lol on this: "A few of the people she likened to shit eat people like her for breakfast"... when in fact she didn't liken anyone to shit. She likened Craig's evidence-free, contradictory public smear to shit, and the people who liked it to flies.
No, she literally put 9 Substack accounts on a pile of shit and not one of them was Poisoned Kiwi. You’re twisting reality much like a virologist would. We wouldn’t want that, now would we?
p.s. I also find it amusing that you berate Sam for publicly responding to Craig Hutchinson's public, implausible, contradictory, evidence-free smear article that features them in the title, them in the featured image and mentions them dozens of times throughout...meanwhile you've chosen to publish an entire article full of complaints about her even though you were barely featured in her video.
Just curious, Pamela and please forgive me if I am confused by your comment: are you claiming that Eleni's work got "sabotaged" from within her own "Perth Group"...???...If yes, where did you hear THAT...???
No, I should have worded it differently, i meant, how was the PG sabotaged and by whom ? Sorry.
AID$ Inc.
They were sabotaged by the multibillion dollar AIDS industry spearheaded by "mainstream science" with the help of mainstream media and fake dissidents. Sound familiar?
That’s what I was trying to say but it came out wrong.
Well put! Indeed, I am grossly disappointed with the whole "team no virus." Not that I think there are viruses - I give that idea a probability approaching zero - but that the "heroes" of that "team" are behaving quite scummily. Like You, I have no idea what the reason I was dragged into Sam's mud.
But the behavior She exhibited was graceless.
Thank You for including My article here! I am well paid in Your appreciation and attention!!!
I know why i got dragged into the muck. I dared to question Sam publicly about PK's allegations. I simply asked her to address the claims, while also mentioning that i was a fan of their work - was.
I'm thinking that Sam included Me there because I kept posting solutions on Her Odysee videos, and posed a question about what I said that She had blocked in one of them in an open letter to Her.
She saw Me offering support to Kiwi and added Me in on the attack. Whatever the reason, it is clear now that "team no virus" is quite the bit of scum, perhaps trying to give the idea that there's no such things as viruses (or contagion) a bad taste so People will not see the truth...
Love always!
I think that's a fair appraisal Ricky
It does seem like they've used a sledgehammer to crack a nut yet due to the way they have gone about they missed the nut and slammed the sledgehammer on their own foot
Okay it’s clear that some of you are trying to destroy the internationally growing "no virus" movement, which puts a spotlight on the “virus/virology” deception and brings the truth to light.
The "good" old divide & conquer tricks still work, right!?
Which one of you is the innocent-looking mastermind who planned and/or started the attacks on the Dr.s Bailey and thus this whole mess..?
I hope Big Pharma pays you well for your efforts…
Shame on you!
There certainly is a faction that only seems to show up when there is drama. It's sad to watch adults act like school children.
That being said, Sam mass smearing a bunch of random people isn't doing the movement any good either.
The veracity of Kiwi's claims look stronger by the day as NO ONE has denied JBS lived in Kiwi's home for a period of time.
That mask was always very transparent to me! The recent display of blatant bitchcraft merely aids others to see past the veneer.
I am one of the 'flies around shit' named alongside you. Apparently, the only reason we were accused of narcissism was because we 'liked' The Poisoned Kiwi's post! Then Eric F Coppolino waded in (never one to miss an opportunity to dish dirt) but he completely misrepresented the situation and then refused to change his stance, despite being clearly shown the error of his assessment.
There will be more of this to come. I would lay money on it.
Yeah. I got lumped into that group too.
About a week or two ago, i publicly responded to a post by Sam sharing her interview on the David Knight Show. I mentioned that i was a big fan of their work - i was. But in my response i asked her to address PK's assertions.
About a week later, she posted that video and comments were locked (on Odysee). So, i came here to Substack to post a response and found out i was blocked.
TBT i don't know who's who or whom to trust among the parties in question. No one apparently, which is always a safe bet, if a bit maddening.
I immediately wondered why Bailey created this drama--because it was clearly manufactured out of almost nothing. Could it have had something to do with the fact that the Baileys were just exposed for concealing the global democide that killed an estimated 31 million people worldwide in 2020-2022? Nah--couldn't be--what's a little mass-murder... https://www.virginiastoner.com/writing/2024/6/5/the-final-pandemic-or-how-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-democide
I went to their substack a few times and posted this..... "Well then, if it's all a fraud, and I agree then let's stop all vaccines because what are we vaccinating against....this should be the push of the no-virus experts..." ....no response, as you can guess......... I think you are right when you say they are protecting a brand..... which then makes them meddlers.....
The Great Virus/No Virus Debate 2022 -- (24 July 2024) -- Gigaohm Biological High Resistance Low Noise Information Brief
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2206190066?filter=all&sort=time
> Even when some of the topics take dark turns, Sam is unusually cheery.
Beware of those that smile too much for too long, it is either the sign of someone selling you something, or that person is an idiot, or both.
And lol and behold they scorn and censor any who challenge their intellectual narratives with facts and have nothing to say for it but to call those who do ad hominem of the such. They will only double down on their idiocy next and then, "the plan". Wait for their clever plan to combat the "conspiracy theorist".
Dr. Sam Bailey Let The Slip … what?
The mask. Yes she did.
Ah,
the mask,
okay… ;-)
The extreme arm of the anti-virus movement is remarkably similar to the extremities I encountered in pro-vaccine. It was disheartening to find all of the people Dr Bailey seems to rely on to be just as irrational as they were.
I'd say it's disheartening to see Dr. Bailey turn into a smear merchant.
I don’t think she turned into one so much as people just saw it finally.
It's like when they say the world is getting worse but really their oppression is just becoming obvious to them.
Not quite. If all the people she smeared were actually active in her little world, you'd probably have something.
I am on neither side. Until they can wipe a random surface and put it under an electron microscope and show me a virus that has been flying around then I cannot believe the whole virus thing. What I can believe is the energy field ie bio field of any living thing and that each interacts. Also that our world is full of man made frequencies on all levels which effect us and our health. Also that living things can be contaminated via poisons. Who cares about the players it's more distractions and drama. Does this help us understand the truth? Does this help us fix our own bodies? It is simply more distractions.
The only "sides" are a disagreement between the Baileys and Poisoned Kiwi that somehow got weaponized against many people who go farther than the "no virus" discussion (AS ONE MUST). I pick the truth.
Yeah, I tried commenting on Sam's website and my comment was removed. That's the only reason I wrote this.
Notice that one person has taken over a good portion of your comment section's real estate making you think you are in a discussion with them but the logic goes in circles and tangents watering down the general dialog. Once you realize there is a mission to this madness and that it is not a discussion it makes sense.