At the time of writing this, I have only blocked one belligerent idiot who came here tossing around insults but had no science to stand on. Funny how that works.
No one has challenged the 200 reasons that suggest we might live on a (more or less) flat plane. Heck, even taking on 50 of them might be somewhat convincing.
Um... It's untrue that People thought the planet was a pancake. The claim that They knew it was in the dark (or middle) ages came from one sect of Christianity accusing another of thinking the planet was flat. It was an insult.
The ancient Persians calculated the circumference of Earth, the distance to the moon, the circumference of the moon, and... The distance to the sun.
Once We grasp that NASA needed an excuse for why They lie and fake things, when the web was making research and such far easier and People were seeing the BS, so They conceived of the PPP (pancake planet psyop), and gave it to the Pentagon to implement, We can grasp a more likely scenario. They brought out Dubay and got YouToilet to recommend His silly videos and thus was born the controversy.
Why NASA lies and fakes things is open for debate, but I can think of two possibilities, and there may be more, that do not require Me to toss My observations, measurements, calculations, geometry, logic, and reason, as does the PPP...
The first is that They're hiding a secret space program, and the second is that Michael Tsarion is correct.
According to Michael Tsarion, there were some "Bad Guys" (BG) being chased across Our galaxy by some "Good Guys" (GG). The BG arrived in Our solar system, set up a decoy on Tiamat (the planet between Mars and Jupiter), then came to Earth and hunkered down.
The GG arrived, saw the decoy, checked for native sapient life, found none, and blew the planet up (explaining the asteroid belt). They were suspicious, though, and checked the other planets, somehow determining that the BG were here. And They found plenty of sapient life native to the planet. So... They put a barrier up around the globe above low earth orbit that We can't get through. They moved the moon into place to be a "guard tower" (explaining the many stories around the globe of a time when there was no moon, and the claims "the gods" put it there). Also explaining "The Watchers."
We can't get through that barrier and live...and They don't want Us to know.
Lastly... I have been asking eight questions of the Ones who claim the PPP is correct and finally put them together in an article. So for, since Dubay hit the scene, not one Person has addressed them in terms of the PPP. Maybe You or Others can explain these things...
I'm not sure where the pancake model came into play, but a nearly flat disk would suggest our resources are even more finite than a ball Earth. A flat plane with an underside of unknown size is far more intriguing. Do we have evidence of the Pentagon implementing this so-called PPP psyop? Do we have evidence of people being chased in space? All of these ideas feel foreign to me and I don't think I have any way of verifying them.
As far as Dubay goes, I posted a video of his that I thought was straight forward and used simple language. I don't think he comes across as misleading, because some of the questions he asked in his video I had already pondered myself. If he is an op, then he's asking questions that someone who is not an op (me) came up with indepedently. If he's mixing truth with fiction, I'd like to know which of his citations/references have been fabricated.
The idea of our atmosphere spinning perfectly in sync with our ball planet to the point where there is nothing measurable and nothing disrupted EVER does not sit well with me. Air travel is not impacted in the slightest. How does the sun heat places near the equator so differently than that of the Artic region if the sun is millions of miles away? If the sun is that powerful, wouldn't a solar flare just take us out? This is why I believe the solar flare news stories to be fearmongering nonsense.
And with the right equipment, you can see much farther than a curvature would allow. I don't think light is bending so drastically for one to see around curves of a planet.
Well, I learned of the NASA/Pentagon involvement... Shortly after Dubay hit the scene, but have since lost the links (going homeless and other issues), and can no longer find the site I got the data from.
As for People being chased in space, I just related what Michael Tsarion said happened. And, as I said, there could be other reasons.
The atmosphere does not spin perfectly, but close. When You grasp things have been spinning for well long enough to impart the motion to surroundings, and that the planet is spinning at only a single revolution per 24 hours... Air travel would not be affected.
There is less air impedance at the equator, and the further away therefrom, the greater the angle, the more air is hit, slowing down (cooling) the rays.
Solar flares have "taken Us out" to one extent of another. The flare have to be headed Our way, and be strong enough to have much affect. Look into the Carrington event. That took out stuff planetwide.
And You would be amazed at how far You can see under the right conditions from light refraction.
I see lots of images where They say, I took the photo here and You can see there, and it would be over the curve. But when You ask for photos taken daily for a month from the same location showing the same thing... No One can provide them. Because They cause a day when the refraction was high, but the next day (and most days) it's not, and so They can't show that it's every day...
Stop with the dismissive “pancake” crap. Either have some respect or don’t partake. Nobody who critically and logically tends to think we don’t live on a spinning ball and that general/special relativity are bunk ever refers to it as that. You’re being intentionally disrespectful which ironic because you then go on about new age good guys, bad guys and Tsarion nonsense.
I've always gotten an eerie feeling from the moon.
As for who's gonna test the barrier, sign my ass up. I'll livestream the entire thing 24/7 until the fateful blast that blows ths whole thing wide open, one way or another. (Plus I've already got a theme song lined up: "Fry Me From The Moon.")
An infinite plane with waters above parallel is my only plausible explanation.
If a globe, in outer space then the following must apply....
A vacuum requires containment, I think we both can agree on that, basis.
So either the earth is contained, or the universe is contained and the earth is contained inside it.
Which all physicians cannot argue, using their own models.
This would also fit the multiple universes theory, as each one is contained and separate to another, what lies in between, only God knows .....
I still believe there is more area on the earth plane hidden and covers an area greater than what we have been taught, as the old sea scrolls and ancient texts describe.
The very secrecy of the Antartica and the South pole, is untoward logic, and the non existing as a magnetic influence suggests this hypothesis.
The compass always points to the North magnetic origin, on a globe it would also point to the south, which ever one the compass would be closer to ..
As magnets attract to the opposite charge, eg a positive charged end attracts to a negatively charged end.
Then why does the compass only operate in a single pole fashion?
Interestingly the symbol for NATO/OTAN or Satan.
The concept of aliens charging through the universe , I believe is more local on the same negatively charged plane , not in outer space.
No craft could withstand an infinite vacuum pressure (would be torn apart or implode Instantly) and absolute zero, let alone operate in a molecular frozen non vibratory state of
0°K, in which all molecular vibration stops.
It would become a super conductor in a vacuum and enter the realm state of quantum meta physics, ie not matter.
You clearly do not grasp that 1. it’s a plenum, not a vacuum, and contains energy, 2. the gravity of the planet pulls particles towards it and that is why the air gets rarer and rarer as One goes upwards, so no need for “containment,” 3. with infinity to work with, I am not seeing any issues.
Be that as it may. I am done here. No One addresses My 8 points, and until that happens, and “flat earth” - whether pancake or “forever flat” will be ignored.
As a 'globe' believer, I do admit it gets me a little rattled to think the 'globe' Earth is wrong, but I have looked into it with an open mind, and to be honest, the evidence I can verify for myself does make it seem as though the Earth is globe-like (e.g. the moon, its stages, how I've seen it on the 'north' hemisphere and 'south' hemisphere; where the sun 'rises' on the horizon in the 'north' hemisphere vs close to the equator; etc., not to mention many other pieces of evidence I cannot verify myself but which I cannot refute directly that does point to the Earth being globe-like).
And also, let me add that I do believe that going to space is fake. "Going to space is fake" and the Earth being globe-like can both be true at the same time
My personal opinion right now is that the Earth is globe-like and revolving around the sun, and going to space outside of lower Earth orbit (not really space yet) is fake
Hey, I went pancake planet for two whole days! And then I started seeing the plethora of disingenuous arguments being made and I thought... Why would the truth need even ONE disingenuous argument??? And from there I started modeling things (humbly, something I can do, being a tested genius in spatial perception) and the ONLY model that explains what I see - and perfectly, elegantly, and simply is the globe.
Gee you love to tell everyone how much of a genius you are. In spatial of course yet you’re wrong about this and don’t actually have the understanding you think you do.
People have recreated what you think you see with cameras on a flat table top. We are experiencing visual perspective. Artists need to know this to create realistic 3d art on 2d surfaces.
I personally love this conversation and have watched countless hours of evidence and read for many many days on this subject, and I still can't make my mind up. I soooo want the earth to be flat, and I KNOW without a single doubt that those NASA fuckers lie about pretty much everything. I also know that the only reason I give globe any credence is my lifelong brainwashing, and that I actually perceive the world, in every daily interaction, to be flat. I just wish I had the balls to nail my colours to the mast.
A) it's an infinite plane of unknown shape. Dune - "The known universe".
B) we are disembodied conscienceness, or something else, somewhere else, in a computer holographic simulation.
Everything else is disproven by basic physics and thermodynamics.
I do hope (A) is the right answer.
No atmosphere can exist amid an infinite vacuum of space without a infinitely indestructable barrier.(Container - firmament).
Water does not cling/adhere to a spinning globe.Period.
Gravity is an observation , not a "thing".
All "space" footage is easily proven as fake.eg, short takes, no movement in atmosphere, no rotation blur, wrong lighting/shadows, craft not vapourised by the sun without atmospheric protection etc.
Most astrophysics cannot agree on the shape of the earth, is it
A) a globe
B) elliptical
C a oblique spheroid.
D) pear shaped 🤣
No astrophysicist can explain why we rotate or orbit in "nothingness", whilst the planets vary in speed and orbit.
These unanswered questions prove they don't know jack shit about where we live.
I am already a Plane Earth believer. Convinced by the evidence. I just released a podcast on it. Thank you for being brave enough to open up the conversation.
I always love the question “but why would they hide the shape of the earth?” Uh… to hide the Creator! They’ve done it with EVERY SINGLE OTHER FACET OF CREATION.. so really, the question is, “Why not?” Thanks for sharing! Looking forward to more! I’m right there with ya!
Whilst I'm intrigued by flat earth evidence, I still feel like I'm on a spinning ball. Flat earthers show photographs of stars circling the pole star, sure, but they don't show time-lapse images of southern stars from the southern hemisphere... which from Australia I see turning around the southern sky in the appropriate direction for a west to east rotation. And constellations move through the sky in synch with seasons and precession.
Not quite sure how these observations determine what we are standing on. Math has infinite possibilities, so patterns of unknown objects moving above our head can be made to fit many different models.
What you reference has all been shown and verified using programs like stellarium. The guys at Aether Cosmology on YouTube and discord have a vast amount of materials explaining and showing it if you’d like to check it out.
The Sun and Mars are the main players of our ‘geoaxial binary system’. At or near its barycentre, we find Earth and our Moon, while the Sun (escorted by its two moons, Mercury and Venus) and Mars (escorted by its own two moons, Phobos and Deimos) perform their binary dance around our planet. It is Earth’s physical motion around its Polaris-Vega-Polaris orbit (PVP, for short) that causes our North stars to change over time—a very slow process commonly known as the Precession of the Equinoxes.
"Earth only rotates around its axis once every 24 hours at the extremely sluggish rate of 0.000694 rpm while it gently gets tugged around its orbital path at 1.6 km/h (about 1 mph)"
People never really get what's going on it's a little frustrating. I would suggest space travel is simply flying high. If I was running the show my only fear now would be that someone else masters travel to other planets before me. Flat earth and sea monsters etc were invented to stop ocean travel. They worked well. Eventually it became too obvious the earth wasn't flat so they gave up on the scam. There is a similar scam underway with space (including space monsters and exaggerated distances. To not run this scam would be high level negligence.
Does it feel like you're traveling at 500 mph while flying in a plane? Can you get up and walk around unimpeded? When the stewardess pours you a drink, does it fly all over the cabin? When everything else around you is traveling at the same speed, you won't notice any difference. Same goes for traveling at 1000 mph when you're on solid ground. For further evidence we live on a spinning planet, I posted this last year... https://jpst.it/3kBMb
If the planet suddenly changed its velocity, you'd feel it too, but it's constant so there's no perception of motion, whether it's felt on your body or in your head.
Earthquakes causes rapid and erratic movement on the ground that creates seismic waves, which in turn cause sudden accelerations and vibrations that we can feel. Earth's rotation is constant and smooth with no sudden changes in speed or direction.
It's quite incredible this undetectable spin that happens simultaneously with an even faster revolution is never disrupted. It doesn't seem to compare to anything in our day-to-day lives.
That only works if we were only traveling in one direction constantly, we are also travelling in 2 other directions, like when the aircraft changes direction, you most certainly feel it, and the speed.
Gregory Lesser Barrett explains it best, scientifically and mathematically .
A brilliant man on this channel, check his work out, irrefutable....
Belief in the globe is complete denial of ones own reality, lived experience and senses, which is the point. As long as you believe you are spinning out of control and unable to stand still in your own knowing, you will fall for more of the lies. To stand still upon the earth but believe you are moving is the beginning of the programming, the indoctrination, of self doubt, of internal conflict between reality and illusion. It's "plane" as day that water seeks level, that our language gives clues to the truth and the sky turns telling us of the time(s).
There's also the term "globalists" who rewrite history to victim-blame. Ironically, they send their stooges to the UN, whose logo includes a flat Earth map. They lie about as much as they can get away with.
Considering the alleged rotation doesn’t impact flight durations, I think we know what will happen with this experiment. Believers of the heliocentric model say the atmosphere rotates with the ball until it abruptly reaches space nothingness. It doesn’t really make any sense.
Do any of the flat earthers launch balloons or drones? Those efforts and that footage would be instructive would they not? Could we not combine tools and get something small in orbit? Like balloon+drone+model rockets? Like stages? I'm all about engaging with the hypothetical. The problem of "why lie" cuts both ways: Clicks and feels. But as you say after the past years, it would be dim to reject the notion out of hand. lying to us on a large scale appears to be the default, but I have to ask, what do you expect to accomplish? We can't convince these people of OBVIOUS truth, why shoot for something so esoteric? The problem of evil should have killed Christianity, and pain and death should have reordered society to minimize both. But it didn't. We've speciated, or something else is going on. See here: https://innomen.substack.com/p/why-isnt-there-more-discussion-around
All footage that doesn’t use a fisheye lens suggests a flat horizon in 360 degrees. This is discussed in the video along with 199 other reasons why Earth might be flat.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but I would like my specific question addressed. I don't want it as a fractional slice of some other video. I'm not interested in the other arguments right now. I ask this because what really woke so many of us up with regard to the genocide was the mountains of daily video evidence. If it's possible for some hobbyist to generate video like that, on this topic, then that needs to be the focus. We know from other issues that simply being right, making good arguments, using good logic, etc, is not enough. TBH, not even the video would be, as some people are still not convinced it's a genocide. Answer the rest of my comment instead of being mad I didn't watch the video. I have a month of homework videos you wont watch either :) https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtTn3kMuxf1oijBGus1pnPUexqev9kj4X
This is one of those experiments I need to do myself. But I wonder, am I expected to see curve at this height with the naked eye? Max height of a balloon is what 37k? of a 13,000k diameter? That's still extremely close to the surface of an extremely huge sphere. Although my gut is telling me there's a big problem given that supposedly at sea level my vision radius cuts off because of curvature in the single digits of miles... I'm the first to admit that my innumeracy is real, but I have to admit that it feels like a contradiction. If the curve is sharp enough to cut off my vision at sea level, how does it vanish so completely when I reach balloon height? At 25km, horizon distance is supposed to be 400 miles. So an 800 mile disc. So the way to do this is landmarks and the horizon, plot what you should see from X height. And then prove that you can see a lot more than you should at X height. You should be able to generate a whole set of targets for basically any height and region right? From there it's just auditing the math. Couldn't that be done from fixed structures? Couldn't you just say basically "I can see my house from here, but I shouldn't be able to."?
All kinds of video has been taken from many miles up. If it doesn't use a fisheye lens, it always, always, always shows a flat horizon. Period. It doesn't matter who is controlling the drone or flying the plane. Take a commercial flight and you'll get the same results.
I see. Well, in any case, I'm primed to seriously consider this. As I said, large scale lies seem to be the default. Also the international agreement around the poles has always been strange to me. And reality itself feels "hinky" to me, like something is off, though I have no idea what. For me the cryonics thing is the best evidence. I literally have no explanation for it, even hypothetically. As a result I wouldn't be fully stunned by any revelation, no matter how bizarre.
I showcased the work of Eric Dubay here. There is a whole community of disruptive flat Earthers that were deployed after he first started sharing his research about a decade ago. Seeing their behavior and his consistency tells me something is amiss.
I'll dig into it. Do you have any idea what's going on like broad strokes? I genuinely don't care what I am unless it impacts the hedonic reality of it.
Yeah this video was on of my early wtf moments. Definitely made me think and look further. Then I also view it sceptically as is there actually anything we can trust on film? Ha
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At the time of writing this, I have only blocked one belligerent idiot who came here tossing around insults but had no science to stand on. Funny how that works.
No one has challenged the 200 reasons that suggest we might live on a (more or less) flat plane. Heck, even taking on 50 of them might be somewhat convincing.
Um... It's untrue that People thought the planet was a pancake. The claim that They knew it was in the dark (or middle) ages came from one sect of Christianity accusing another of thinking the planet was flat. It was an insult.
The ancient Persians calculated the circumference of Earth, the distance to the moon, the circumference of the moon, and... The distance to the sun.
Once We grasp that NASA needed an excuse for why They lie and fake things, when the web was making research and such far easier and People were seeing the BS, so They conceived of the PPP (pancake planet psyop), and gave it to the Pentagon to implement, We can grasp a more likely scenario. They brought out Dubay and got YouToilet to recommend His silly videos and thus was born the controversy.
Why NASA lies and fakes things is open for debate, but I can think of two possibilities, and there may be more, that do not require Me to toss My observations, measurements, calculations, geometry, logic, and reason, as does the PPP...
The first is that They're hiding a secret space program, and the second is that Michael Tsarion is correct.
According to Michael Tsarion, there were some "Bad Guys" (BG) being chased across Our galaxy by some "Good Guys" (GG). The BG arrived in Our solar system, set up a decoy on Tiamat (the planet between Mars and Jupiter), then came to Earth and hunkered down.
The GG arrived, saw the decoy, checked for native sapient life, found none, and blew the planet up (explaining the asteroid belt). They were suspicious, though, and checked the other planets, somehow determining that the BG were here. And They found plenty of sapient life native to the planet. So... They put a barrier up around the globe above low earth orbit that We can't get through. They moved the moon into place to be a "guard tower" (explaining the many stories around the globe of a time when there was no moon, and the claims "the gods" put it there). Also explaining "The Watchers."
We can't get through that barrier and live...and They don't want Us to know.
Lastly... I have been asking eight questions of the Ones who claim the PPP is correct and finally put them together in an article. So for, since Dubay hit the scene, not one Person has addressed them in terms of the PPP. Maybe You or Others can explain these things...
Flat Earth Reasoning (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/flat-earth-reasoning
I'm not sure where the pancake model came into play, but a nearly flat disk would suggest our resources are even more finite than a ball Earth. A flat plane with an underside of unknown size is far more intriguing. Do we have evidence of the Pentagon implementing this so-called PPP psyop? Do we have evidence of people being chased in space? All of these ideas feel foreign to me and I don't think I have any way of verifying them.
As far as Dubay goes, I posted a video of his that I thought was straight forward and used simple language. I don't think he comes across as misleading, because some of the questions he asked in his video I had already pondered myself. If he is an op, then he's asking questions that someone who is not an op (me) came up with indepedently. If he's mixing truth with fiction, I'd like to know which of his citations/references have been fabricated.
The idea of our atmosphere spinning perfectly in sync with our ball planet to the point where there is nothing measurable and nothing disrupted EVER does not sit well with me. Air travel is not impacted in the slightest. How does the sun heat places near the equator so differently than that of the Artic region if the sun is millions of miles away? If the sun is that powerful, wouldn't a solar flare just take us out? This is why I believe the solar flare news stories to be fearmongering nonsense.
And with the right equipment, you can see much farther than a curvature would allow. I don't think light is bending so drastically for one to see around curves of a planet.
Well, I learned of the NASA/Pentagon involvement... Shortly after Dubay hit the scene, but have since lost the links (going homeless and other issues), and can no longer find the site I got the data from.
As for People being chased in space, I just related what Michael Tsarion said happened. And, as I said, there could be other reasons.
The atmosphere does not spin perfectly, but close. When You grasp things have been spinning for well long enough to impart the motion to surroundings, and that the planet is spinning at only a single revolution per 24 hours... Air travel would not be affected.
There is less air impedance at the equator, and the further away therefrom, the greater the angle, the more air is hit, slowing down (cooling) the rays.
Solar flares have "taken Us out" to one extent of another. The flare have to be headed Our way, and be strong enough to have much affect. Look into the Carrington event. That took out stuff planetwide.
And You would be amazed at how far You can see under the right conditions from light refraction.
I see lots of images where They say, I took the photo here and You can see there, and it would be over the curve. But when You ask for photos taken daily for a month from the same location showing the same thing... No One can provide them. Because They cause a day when the refraction was high, but the next day (and most days) it's not, and so They can't show that it's every day...
Stop with the dismissive “pancake” crap. Either have some respect or don’t partake. Nobody who critically and logically tends to think we don’t live on a spinning ball and that general/special relativity are bunk ever refers to it as that. You’re being intentionally disrespectful which ironic because you then go on about new age good guys, bad guys and Tsarion nonsense.
I've always gotten an eerie feeling from the moon.
As for who's gonna test the barrier, sign my ass up. I'll livestream the entire thing 24/7 until the fateful blast that blows ths whole thing wide open, one way or another. (Plus I've already got a theme song lined up: "Fry Me From The Moon.")
Well, that's not My department... LOL! But the theme song title is awesome!!!
(Also, a lil enlightened tidbit that may be clever double-speak from the ages.
"The finger that points at the moon is not the moon."
As in, either "Don't make too big a deal about sage/teachers"...
...and possibly, "The enemy is *up there.*")
--🔑
I agree we do not live on a pancake 😂.
An infinite plane with waters above parallel is my only plausible explanation.
If a globe, in outer space then the following must apply....
A vacuum requires containment, I think we both can agree on that, basis.
So either the earth is contained, or the universe is contained and the earth is contained inside it.
Which all physicians cannot argue, using their own models.
This would also fit the multiple universes theory, as each one is contained and separate to another, what lies in between, only God knows .....
I still believe there is more area on the earth plane hidden and covers an area greater than what we have been taught, as the old sea scrolls and ancient texts describe.
The very secrecy of the Antartica and the South pole, is untoward logic, and the non existing as a magnetic influence suggests this hypothesis.
The compass always points to the North magnetic origin, on a globe it would also point to the south, which ever one the compass would be closer to ..
As magnets attract to the opposite charge, eg a positive charged end attracts to a negatively charged end.
Then why does the compass only operate in a single pole fashion?
Interestingly the symbol for NATO/OTAN or Satan.
The concept of aliens charging through the universe , I believe is more local on the same negatively charged plane , not in outer space.
No craft could withstand an infinite vacuum pressure (would be torn apart or implode Instantly) and absolute zero, let alone operate in a molecular frozen non vibratory state of
0°K, in which all molecular vibration stops.
It would become a super conductor in a vacuum and enter the realm state of quantum meta physics, ie not matter.
A great discussion.
Cheers
Michael
You clearly do not grasp that 1. it’s a plenum, not a vacuum, and contains energy, 2. the gravity of the planet pulls particles towards it and that is why the air gets rarer and rarer as One goes upwards, so no need for “containment,” 3. with infinity to work with, I am not seeing any issues.
Be that as it may. I am done here. No One addresses My 8 points, and until that happens, and “flat earth” - whether pancake or “forever flat” will be ignored.
Waste of My time.
I clearly grasp what you don't grasp and what gravity fails to "grasp" .
You're a luciferian sun worshipping shill, and your astrological majick is shrinking 10 fold as per universal rule.
Soon it will disappear into the anuls of time, the void, as a laughable theory of stupid doctrine......
A fitting end , for a false light bearer, don't you think?
A "plenum" requires an "enclosure" as per its definition.
A vacuum cannot be differentiated from a non vacuum area without one.
It show us HIS "handiwork" ,
doesn't it?
Grasping at strawmen me thinks....😂😂😂
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
As a 'globe' believer, I do admit it gets me a little rattled to think the 'globe' Earth is wrong, but I have looked into it with an open mind, and to be honest, the evidence I can verify for myself does make it seem as though the Earth is globe-like (e.g. the moon, its stages, how I've seen it on the 'north' hemisphere and 'south' hemisphere; where the sun 'rises' on the horizon in the 'north' hemisphere vs close to the equator; etc., not to mention many other pieces of evidence I cannot verify myself but which I cannot refute directly that does point to the Earth being globe-like).
And also, let me add that I do believe that going to space is fake. "Going to space is fake" and the Earth being globe-like can both be true at the same time
My personal opinion right now is that the Earth is globe-like and revolving around the sun, and going to space outside of lower Earth orbit (not really space yet) is fake
Hey, I went pancake planet for two whole days! And then I started seeing the plethora of disingenuous arguments being made and I thought... Why would the truth need even ONE disingenuous argument??? And from there I started modeling things (humbly, something I can do, being a tested genius in spatial perception) and the ONLY model that explains what I see - and perfectly, elegantly, and simply is the globe.
Gee you love to tell everyone how much of a genius you are. In spatial of course yet you’re wrong about this and don’t actually have the understanding you think you do.
😂 😂 😂 Yup. You're right. Off Y'go. Have a nice life.
People have recreated what you think you see with cameras on a flat table top. We are experiencing visual perspective. Artists need to know this to create realistic 3d art on 2d surfaces.
Check out my link below and let me know what I need to address in the next podcast on the subject.
I personally love this conversation and have watched countless hours of evidence and read for many many days on this subject, and I still can't make my mind up. I soooo want the earth to be flat, and I KNOW without a single doubt that those NASA fuckers lie about pretty much everything. I also know that the only reason I give globe any credence is my lifelong brainwashing, and that I actually perceive the world, in every daily interaction, to be flat. I just wish I had the balls to nail my colours to the mast.
The programming runs extra deep on this topic!
Your peeps are the plane earth people. Check out this podcast. Your peeps.
https://podbay.fm/p/the-flat-earth-files
Thanks Sober
Flat or a globe, either way it’s run by psychopaths
💯
Heard that.
All physical non CGI evidence suggests:
A) it's an infinite plane of unknown shape. Dune - "The known universe".
B) we are disembodied conscienceness, or something else, somewhere else, in a computer holographic simulation.
Everything else is disproven by basic physics and thermodynamics.
I do hope (A) is the right answer.
No atmosphere can exist amid an infinite vacuum of space without a infinitely indestructable barrier.(Container - firmament).
Water does not cling/adhere to a spinning globe.Period.
Gravity is an observation , not a "thing".
All "space" footage is easily proven as fake.eg, short takes, no movement in atmosphere, no rotation blur, wrong lighting/shadows, craft not vapourised by the sun without atmospheric protection etc.
Most astrophysics cannot agree on the shape of the earth, is it
A) a globe
B) elliptical
C a oblique spheroid.
D) pear shaped 🤣
No astrophysicist can explain why we rotate or orbit in "nothingness", whilst the planets vary in speed and orbit.
These unanswered questions prove they don't know jack shit about where we live.
Cheers 🥂
Cheers
You’re speaking my language!
I am already a Plane Earth believer. Convinced by the evidence. I just released a podcast on it. Thank you for being brave enough to open up the conversation.
Feel free to link the readers.
Thanks, Ricky. This was a listener question from last year, basics of Plane Earth, with interesting points on the moon and stars.
https://soberchristiangentlemanpodcast.substack.com/p/s1-listener-question-biblical-cosmology
Great observations. It doesn't seem like the heliocentric model is supported by some of the things we know to be true.
I am going to make a follow-up podcast on the scientific tests that have been done to prove no curve.
Kinda strong lean towards the plane here. :)
I always love the question “but why would they hide the shape of the earth?” Uh… to hide the Creator! They’ve done it with EVERY SINGLE OTHER FACET OF CREATION.. so really, the question is, “Why not?” Thanks for sharing! Looking forward to more! I’m right there with ya!
Whilst I'm intrigued by flat earth evidence, I still feel like I'm on a spinning ball. Flat earthers show photographs of stars circling the pole star, sure, but they don't show time-lapse images of southern stars from the southern hemisphere... which from Australia I see turning around the southern sky in the appropriate direction for a west to east rotation. And constellations move through the sky in synch with seasons and precession.
Not quite sure how these observations determine what we are standing on. Math has infinite possibilities, so patterns of unknown objects moving above our head can be made to fit many different models.
What you reference has all been shown and verified using programs like stellarium. The guys at Aether Cosmology on YouTube and discord have a vast amount of materials explaining and showing it if you’d like to check it out.
There is another option, the TYCHOS model;
The Sun and Mars are the main players of our ‘geoaxial binary system’. At or near its barycentre, we find Earth and our Moon, while the Sun (escorted by its two moons, Mercury and Venus) and Mars (escorted by its own two moons, Phobos and Deimos) perform their binary dance around our planet. It is Earth’s physical motion around its Polaris-Vega-Polaris orbit (PVP, for short) that causes our North stars to change over time—a very slow process commonly known as the Precession of the Equinoxes.
The book can be downloaded for free;
https://book.tychos.space/
The North star changes......youn mean.Polaris, when do we reach it?, when has it changed? How long have we been travelling towards it?
When do we get there, we're was our starting point?
What keeps the sun energized?
Still, the water doesn't stick!
All I do know, real critical thinkers are skint and outcast.
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I have not looked deeply into this subject but I totally agree that nothing about my experience feels like I'm spinning around at crazy speeds.
I'd suggest you read this book; https://book.tychos.space/chapters/4-intro-tychos
"Earth only rotates around its axis once every 24 hours at the extremely sluggish rate of 0.000694 rpm while it gently gets tugged around its orbital path at 1.6 km/h (about 1 mph)"
People never really get what's going on it's a little frustrating. I would suggest space travel is simply flying high. If I was running the show my only fear now would be that someone else masters travel to other planets before me. Flat earth and sea monsters etc were invented to stop ocean travel. They worked well. Eventually it became too obvious the earth wasn't flat so they gave up on the scam. There is a similar scam underway with space (including space monsters and exaggerated distances. To not run this scam would be high level negligence.
Does it feel like you're traveling at 500 mph while flying in a plane? Can you get up and walk around unimpeded? When the stewardess pours you a drink, does it fly all over the cabin? When everything else around you is traveling at the same speed, you won't notice any difference. Same goes for traveling at 1000 mph when you're on solid ground. For further evidence we live on a spinning planet, I posted this last year... https://jpst.it/3kBMb
Most of these things on that website were addressed in the video above, so it's best to debate those arguments.
As soon as you hit turbulence you feel the 500mph. And of course the outside of the plane feels it.
Does your skin feel the 1000mph when you walk around? Have you ever felt an effect that feels like turbulence?
If the planet suddenly changed its velocity, you'd feel it too, but it's constant so there's no perception of motion, whether it's felt on your body or in your head.
Pretty fascinating we never feel this spin, yet earthquakes are felt all the time.
Earthquakes causes rapid and erratic movement on the ground that creates seismic waves, which in turn cause sudden accelerations and vibrations that we can feel. Earth's rotation is constant and smooth with no sudden changes in speed or direction.
It's quite incredible this undetectable spin that happens simultaneously with an even faster revolution is never disrupted. It doesn't seem to compare to anything in our day-to-day lives.
That only works if we were only traveling in one direction constantly, we are also travelling in 2 other directions, like when the aircraft changes direction, you most certainly feel it, and the speed.
Gregory Lesser Barrett explains it best, scientifically and mathematically .
A brilliant man on this channel, check his work out, irrefutable....
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Belief in the globe is complete denial of ones own reality, lived experience and senses, which is the point. As long as you believe you are spinning out of control and unable to stand still in your own knowing, you will fall for more of the lies. To stand still upon the earth but believe you are moving is the beginning of the programming, the indoctrination, of self doubt, of internal conflict between reality and illusion. It's "plane" as day that water seeks level, that our language gives clues to the truth and the sky turns telling us of the time(s).
There's also the term "globalists" who rewrite history to victim-blame. Ironically, they send their stooges to the UN, whose logo includes a flat Earth map. They lie about as much as they can get away with.
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/history-gone-wrong-you-must-think
Well put!
Sorry 5⁰
Considering the alleged rotation doesn’t impact flight durations, I think we know what will happen with this experiment. Believers of the heliocentric model say the atmosphere rotates with the ball until it abruptly reaches space nothingness. It doesn’t really make any sense.
If GOVCORP says its a ball then it's probably flat.
Funny thing is there are a couple old government documents that suggest otherwise!
Psalm 96:10: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.
Psalm 104:5: "Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken."
1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."
Psalm 93:1: "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm..."
Isaiah 45:18: "...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...
That's what I believe.
Thanks bud
Is it a square?
I live by the philosophy:
If the higher powers say something is true: it’s false.
And if the higher powers say something is false: it’s true.
Hegelian dialectic lies.
If I'm on the waltzers and I jump up will I land in the same spot I jumped from
Do any of the flat earthers launch balloons or drones? Those efforts and that footage would be instructive would they not? Could we not combine tools and get something small in orbit? Like balloon+drone+model rockets? Like stages? I'm all about engaging with the hypothetical. The problem of "why lie" cuts both ways: Clicks and feels. But as you say after the past years, it would be dim to reject the notion out of hand. lying to us on a large scale appears to be the default, but I have to ask, what do you expect to accomplish? We can't convince these people of OBVIOUS truth, why shoot for something so esoteric? The problem of evil should have killed Christianity, and pain and death should have reordered society to minimize both. But it didn't. We've speciated, or something else is going on. See here: https://innomen.substack.com/p/why-isnt-there-more-discussion-around
All footage that doesn’t use a fisheye lens suggests a flat horizon in 360 degrees. This is discussed in the video along with 199 other reasons why Earth might be flat.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but I would like my specific question addressed. I don't want it as a fractional slice of some other video. I'm not interested in the other arguments right now. I ask this because what really woke so many of us up with regard to the genocide was the mountains of daily video evidence. If it's possible for some hobbyist to generate video like that, on this topic, then that needs to be the focus. We know from other issues that simply being right, making good arguments, using good logic, etc, is not enough. TBH, not even the video would be, as some people are still not convinced it's a genocide. Answer the rest of my comment instead of being mad I didn't watch the video. I have a month of homework videos you wont watch either :) https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtTn3kMuxf1oijBGus1pnPUexqev9kj4X
👀: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBpr-P0oCd4
This is one of those experiments I need to do myself. But I wonder, am I expected to see curve at this height with the naked eye? Max height of a balloon is what 37k? of a 13,000k diameter? That's still extremely close to the surface of an extremely huge sphere. Although my gut is telling me there's a big problem given that supposedly at sea level my vision radius cuts off because of curvature in the single digits of miles... I'm the first to admit that my innumeracy is real, but I have to admit that it feels like a contradiction. If the curve is sharp enough to cut off my vision at sea level, how does it vanish so completely when I reach balloon height? At 25km, horizon distance is supposed to be 400 miles. So an 800 mile disc. So the way to do this is landmarks and the horizon, plot what you should see from X height. And then prove that you can see a lot more than you should at X height. You should be able to generate a whole set of targets for basically any height and region right? From there it's just auditing the math. Couldn't that be done from fixed structures? Couldn't you just say basically "I can see my house from here, but I shouldn't be able to."?
All kinds of video has been taken from many miles up. If it doesn't use a fisheye lens, it always, always, always shows a flat horizon. Period. It doesn't matter who is controlling the drone or flying the plane. Take a commercial flight and you'll get the same results.
Correct and people are doing this regularly now. There’s some cool Czech guys launching stuff all the time. This is just one link I had at quick reference - https://x.com/AntiDisinfo86/status/1821554437871079903
I see. Well, in any case, I'm primed to seriously consider this. As I said, large scale lies seem to be the default. Also the international agreement around the poles has always been strange to me. And reality itself feels "hinky" to me, like something is off, though I have no idea what. For me the cryonics thing is the best evidence. I literally have no explanation for it, even hypothetically. As a result I wouldn't be fully stunned by any revelation, no matter how bizarre.
I showcased the work of Eric Dubay here. There is a whole community of disruptive flat Earthers that were deployed after he first started sharing his research about a decade ago. Seeing their behavior and his consistency tells me something is amiss.
I'll dig into it. Do you have any idea what's going on like broad strokes? I genuinely don't care what I am unless it impacts the hedonic reality of it.
The Go-fast private rocket proved the point. At 75 miles up it hit the firmament and stoped.
Yeah this video was on of my early wtf moments. Definitely made me think and look further. Then I also view it sceptically as is there actually anything we can trust on film? Ha
Be skeptical of everything and the truth will shake out.
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